Though, really, it's more up-beat than that in W20, or at least, the comic openers presented it that way. While Thrall of the Wyrm remains, there hasn't been any note about the Rokea having their constant obsession with reproducing with humans, either, instead with an emphasis on how they're engaged in a long, elaborate death spiral that they've inflicted on themselves. A lot of material formerly locked behind the 'artiste' wall was also opened up, and we ended up getting the assumption that lots of people might want to play Fera instead of Garou taken seriously, as well as historical contexts for the White Howlers tribebook, as well as a second look at how they fell. It uses mostly the same setup as Revised, but the odd botching hazards went back in and specialties for traits were standardized as resulting in 2 successes on a 10, instead of exploding dice. Due to the success of V20, however, W20 got the go-ahead. Then things went quiet for a while, with the release of Apocalypse and the end of the line. Some people have said that Revised was super-fatalistic, but I didn't feel it at the time, because none of the other games' problems leaked out of their own game. Metaplot was never really Werewolf's problem, anyway major events such as the death of the Simba warlord Black Tooth were usually made hazy and the key figures unnamed, so that players could put their characters into the forefront of potential plot lines. After Revised, however, the assumptions of other lines and their influence on Werewolf took a step back, at least. I liked that a lot, since I started in 1996, and the flak directed toward me in my own group for liking Werewolf was tremendous, to say nothing of browbeaters online. The line also did away with crossover in a big way. Mirrors were also no longer absolutely necessary to step sideways, but looking into a reflective surface made it easier. Botch mechanics were also revised, with a botch requiring that you roll no successes at all, and the last two breed books describing the Fera (a new word for this edition, what the Garou called the non-Garou changers) finished up with the Rokea (large sharks) and Nagah (dangerously venomous snakes). Enter Revised! With the exception of CoG Revised, portrayals were much improved (including the Ger of Fenris now having a history of being anti-Vikings and enemies of the Aesir, because, you know, Fenris wasn't exactly friendly with them), and the combat system did away with the Wits + Awareness roll that determined initiative, as well as adding successes on the hit to damage and overall lowering base weapon damage. 2nd edition also still had a clunky combat system, as with other 2nd editions for WoD games, and crossover clashes often became a problem. This was also the approximate edition (it actually wasn't until the 2nd edition player's guide, which was later 2e) when the Rokea got hit with a faux Deep One-like 'must sex up humans! Must reproduce!' compulsion.ДЄdditionally, a number of 2nd edition books had issues with research and presentation, given that the tribes often ended up drawing off of ethnic or hippy stereotypes. This, however, is too cookie-cutter a response, and is like Exalted 2e's obsession with lining up cosmology and numbers too neatly. And, if Rage is roused enough, it might be cause to make stopping one harder. It's not just that you might kill people you hadn't intended, oh no now, too many successes meant the Thrall of the Wyrm! The enemy is inside you! And it might cause you to eat, savage, or sexually assault someone if you took them down in said frenzy! I'm not really a big fan of most of this the aftermath of a frenzy should be tense enough as it is, especially if, as stated, the character was hungry before going into one. New types of other changing breeds were introduced by the Mokole book, but they were declared to be dead all along, and the Nuwisha Breedbook hinted at the addition of the Nagah (not listed in the first edition player's guide).ДЇor whatever reason, however, frenzies were now made into even greater potential angst-fests, yet in stilted, scripted fashion. The Weaver also became another antagonist force, having been responsible for making the Wyrm go mad, while the Wyld was steadily moved into 'not your friend, but a chaotic force of primordial life that goes everywhere' territory. The other changers also began to get their breed books in the later 2nd edition era. Both of these things were gone by 2nd edition, with the former transforming into the system of temporary and Permanent Renown that we have now, and the latter disappearing from art design decisions to hammer home that Crinos is a monstrous form made for killing, not fashion shows. First edition had a Renown system that involved straight up astronomical numbers, and Crinos was occasionally portrayed as a wolf-headed bikini babe in the art.

Can w20 changing breeds stand alone